Hello all,

Seems my friend Pearl and I are on the same wavelength in what the Lord is placing on our hearts and mind. This choice between Truth and Religion was the same choice that the Lord gave Adam and Eve.They had free will and chose the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, (the mind, the self, and religion) over the Tree of Life (the Spirit and Truth).

Hell is our own un-surrendered mind.

Pearl puts it all so well, much better than I, in this really good article and study. Enjoy!



Hi Patti

….Sleep wouldn’t come to me tonight, so I think God had another plan for me. I listened to a weather report which indicated that it’s going to get very HOT tomorrow…in the 100s. My first thought was, “hotter than hell?” Aha!! Maybe it’s time for me to work on that one again. It’s one that few Christians want to listen to, let alone believe.

And, it came to me that it’s all because those who can’t get “eternal hell” out of their way of thinking, really don’t KNOW God. But, most Christians don’t even recognize that they haven’t “grown” in their knowledge of God because they’ve never had anyone to teach them. Most Christians begin as “babes in Christ”, and they are STILL “babes in Christ after being Christians for 30 years or more. And that shouldn’t be!

And so, I began with I John and the levels of maturity in Christians…..

If anyone takes the time to read I John 2:12-14 they will understand that God refers to Christians in THREE categories…..and YOU (and I) are one of them:

1. Little children (vs.12): You believe your sins are forgiven you through what Jesus did for you. Your learning stops there.

2. Young men (vs.13): In addition to your forgiveness, you have also learned about overcoming the wiles of the “evil one”, which is the carnal nature of man.

3. Fathers (not spelled with a capital “F”) (vs. 14): You have learned of your salvation through Jesus Christ; and you have learned how Satan works through the carnal nature of man; and you understand and know the nature of God from before the foundation of the world. You know God, and you know His love.

This is called the process of sanctification AFTER you have been justified through God’s calling you to Him. It is also called “maturing” in the knowledge of Christ, or having the “mind of Christ”…II Cor.2:16.

The only other category is to be a non-Christian (an unbeliever). There is no other choice because that’s what God tells us in the Bible.

Anyone, and EVERYONE, is one of the above!!!

Unfortunately, in today’s “religious system” of Christianity, there are those teaching from behind the pulpits of church buildings that are still in the first category. They are still “little children” in the knowledge of God, and they are unable to instruct others because they understand nothing more, themselves. But, they have “graduated” from some Seminary, and they have a “certificate” to teach. So, they teach, albeit, totally unprepared by God.

Their “flock” will never progress beyond being “little children” even if they attend their church meetings for years, if not decades. They have “carnal” minds, and they understand NOTHING of the “spiritual” things of God. To them, those things are “foolishness”. There are lots of social functions, eg “bake sales”, and “parties to ‘share Christ with others’ “, and all kinds of other “worldly” business in these institutions. Nothing is taught about the “fires of tribulation” which each believer goes through in life. People are
taught they must be happy and healthy when they become “Christians”. Happy faces abound!!

I Cor.2:14…”But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

Then, there are Pastors who, by the grace of God, have learned some of the characteristics of the carnal mind. But, unfortunately, these tend to be men who don’t yet understand the spiritual concepts of God’s plan of salvation for the world. They say, “God is Love”, but they do not yet understand the concept of the Power of God to save those who are lost. One will hear much of “fire and brimstone” and “eternal hell” preaching from these men’s pulpits. There is much FEAR in these institutions. The fear of “going to hell” keeps them coming back week after week to learn from their Pastor how to “avoid hell”. There is lots of preaching on what you must DO, and what you must NOT DO, in order to escape the “fires of hell”. People are so busy learning the rules and regulations from that Pastor, that they have no time left to learn about Who God really is!

They live daily with one foot in “hell” and the other on a “banana peel”…..”eternal damnation” is one slip away!! They refuse to believe what Jesus said, “The kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.” And they continue to look everywhere else for it, EXCEPT within themselves.

And these will, most likely, be the ones who will hear:

Matthew 25:12…”But He answered and said, ‘Verily I say unto you, I know you not.’ “

Usually, those mature Christians whom God refers to as “fathers” have studied for themselves the things of God. They know God intimately, and they trust Him completely, in spite of (and usually because of) the “fires of tribulation” that they are put through daily to help purge the carnality from within them.

They know God as being pure “Love”, and everything He does is in love for us (mankind). Because of this, he is easily able to love his neighbor AND his enemies. The Spirit of God is within him and working through him because he has the “mind of Christ”.

The mature “father” Christian hears of doctrines which do not fit into his knowledge of the character of God, and he will then “search the scriptures” to find the truth. Nothing but the TRUTH will satisfy. And this is because of his deep and abiding love of God. He KNOWS God, and God knows him!

Does the concept of “eternal punishment in the fires of hell” FIT the character of God?? Absolutely NOT! God never punishes for the sake of punishment. His correction, or punishment, is ALWAYS remedial, or corrective in nature. It is NEVER tyrannical or cruel.

Yet, the “pablum-eating” Christian believes what his Pastor tells him. He will search no further. He says he loves God, but how can one love the “god” who will throw 95% of his creation into “eternal hellfire”??

It is told to us in Jeremiah 32:35 EXACTLY what God thinks of putting people through fire….(He said this about those who were passing their sons and daughters through the fire to Molech)….”I commanded them NOT (to do this), neither came it into my mind, that they should do this ABOMINATION…”

Yet, there are Christians who stubbornly adhere to the doctrine taught from most Pulpits, that everyone who sins will be thrown into “hellfire” and burn for all eternity. And, with the other side of their face, they tell you how much they “love God” because He is so merciful, kind, and gentle.

But then, we have to trust that one day they will learn the truth. And this will be either in this present age, or in the ages to come.

For those “little children”, and “young men” who really THIRST for more of the knowledge of God, here is information which may help you to see the “Light” more clearly: [And hopefully, after reading and understanding this message, there will be another “young man” who matures to “father today. Or even better, there may be another “little child” who has finally grown up.]

In God’s love,


Piece of link article:

Fire changes a condition to good or bad, depending on the view point. The change of wood into heat inside a stove is good, but changing the wood into times from which a house is constructed is not so good. It matters not, though, whether it is for good or not, it still produces change,-and destruction. The wood that bums in the stove is destroyed, but it is for good; and the wood in the house is likewise destroyed, yet this is not good. A simple example, yet necessary for our study.

The point is, when change comes as a result of fire, what determines if the change is good on not is whether the viewer wants the change or not. The wood in the stove is wanted, so it is good, but the change in the wood frame of the house is not wanted, so it is not good. When fire is not wanted it can be a thing that is greatly feared, for it changes and destroys things that people want to keep unchanged, such as the carnal mind and works of the flesh.

Another change that fire makes is that it purifies. We have various words in the English that speak of this, which incorporate the Greek word for fire, i.e. PUR. PUR is the root of the words: PURe, PURity, PURify, PURge, PURification, PURitan, etc. Hebrews 12:29 uses this word (pur) to describe this same pun. purifying character of God: “For our God is a consuming FIRE (PUR). God, a consuming fire what self-willed human stick of wood

can stand in His presence and not be consumed and purified? Let us also be reminded of what Malachi prophetically penned concerning the fire of Christ, “… The Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His temple…But who may abide the day of His coming? and who shall stand when He appeareth? for He is like A REFINER’S FIRE…And He shall sit as A REFINER and PURIFIER OF SILVER: and HE SHALL PURIFY THE SONS OF LEVI, and PURGE THEM AS GOLD AND SILVER, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness” (Mal. 3:1-3).

Can we see the similarities of the natural fires and those of the Spirit? Mainly that they both change and purify. The natural flames change the form of natural things while purifying them in the process, and so does the spiritual fire of the Holy Spirit of God. In the natural there was a valley near Jerusalem called, Hinnom, the Greek name was Gehenna, and the garbage was dumped there to be burned. The trash heap burned perpetually, as long as there was garbage to be burned. Likewise in the spirit, as long as there is the filth of carnal garbage to be burned, God, the consuming fire, will be there to burn it.

Let us keep in mind that almost every literal thing we read about in the Bible has its parallel counterpart in the spirit. With this understanding, we will be less apt to literalize those things that should be spiritualized, especially in the book of Revelation; for the first verse of that book tells us that all John saw and wrote were signs of spiritual realities. “…And He sent and SIGN-i-fled it by his angel unto his servant John.”

Some verses we should consider in this light of signs are Psalms 104:4, and Revelation 14: 10: “Who maketh His angels spirits; His ministers a flaming fire. “(Psa. 104:4). ‘And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and. his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name” (Rev 14:9-11).

Some additional verses follow that speak of this holy fire as being God’s WORD: “…His word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones…” (Jer. 20:9). “Is not My word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?” (Jer. 23:29). “Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make My words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them” (Jer. 5: 14). Do we suppose that the word of God in Jeremiah’s heart was literal, and its times were searing his cringing bones? His word that was as afire, can we assume that it danced as a flame around in the heavens or swept through the earth, burning and scorching everything in its blazing path. And can we be so daring to believe that the people turned into walking sticks of wood, and the words of fire in the weeping prophet’s mouth were akin to the fabled fire-breathing dragon, which burned them to ashes when he spoke? Absolutely not! The answer is a confident NO to all the questions!

We have enough understanding to know that the fire and wood referred to were figurative symbols that pointed to spiritual realities. No one but the very simplest of carnal minds could believe such things were literal. It doesn’t take brilliance to know that the fires of God, His ministers, and His word are not natural fires; and neither should we suppose the fire is natural in other verses that deal with spiritual matters.

In the Revelation verses (14:9-11), what do we suppose this is saying? Whatever our views might be, let us with unveiled faces look closer and see: “…If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand..he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” Sounds severe, doesn’t it? And it is! Anytime flesh is judged, it is severe, but it may not be as one supposes.







Author: kinz2all

Hello all! What a long strange trip it has been! I am amazed that through 40 years of Bible studies, Bible College, and attending a multitude of churches, of varying denominations, I have come full circle back to the day when I was “born again”. On that day (Sept 24th 1978) I found the Truth when Jesus found me. I knew in an instant that I could live in eternity by living in the moment with Christ. God is love and loves everyone and wants everyone to be set free in Christ. That the spiritual world trumps the material world and by focusing on Christ one can live spiritually every moment, and death to self brings abundant new life. This was massively life changing! I went from being broken to being whole! I could not contain the love and joy within me. I was a different person and all my relationships changed. And shortly after that earthshaking day, I did sell everything I owned and went on the road proclaiming the JOY of the Good News!! Yet, after three years, I settled down and starting going to church, realizing I had not truly studied the Word of God. I had attended church as a child and as a teen I sang in the choir and taught vacation Bible school, so I knew the major highlights of the Gospel, and pretty much believed what preachers were preaching about God’s Word. Still, I did not find the fire of the Spirit in many of the churches I attended. To me, all the different denominations were creating division not unity in the body of Christ, by chopping up the Word to suit the traditions of men. In 1997 I decided to start reading and studying the Bible for myself. I read books about the “rapture” and the Left Behind series of books and started to see how churches were so divided on these issues and nothing they were teaching really rang true in my heart. I attended Bible College in 2004 and got my Masters in Theology and really got into understanding the End Times as taught by the pre-trib and pre-wrath rapture groups and authors. I was completely sold on this interpretation of the Bible, so much so, that I started writing about it on a pre-trib web site called Five Doves. I got really into waiting for the rapture and trying to figure out the timing and all that, and wrote many many articles about how and when this would happen. It was exciting, I felt that I was learning so much. The more I studied on my own the more I started to see that I did not see in His Word the same things that others were seeing and started to write about what I was finding. As soon as I did this, and started to stray away from the herd of pre-tribbers, I was thrown off the web site. As soon as that happened, the Lord started giving me new revelations and I started asking questions and rely on Him to show me in His Word the answers I was looking for. The major turning point was when I started writing for another web site (Rapture Prophecy Bible Forum) and found out who Israel truly is. That is the foundation for all Bible study…once one knows whom Israel is, one can never go back to dispensational beliefs. That opened the flood gates of revelations from the Lord. He made sure that I would have the time to truly focus on what the Holy Spirit was showing me. I fell down some stairs and broke both of my feet and was not able to do anything but study the Bible. And Study I did!! I was consumed with it, day and night and felt on fire for the Truth. Things that I had believed in for so long just fell away, and everyday I was finding out more and more. Although I started to see that there is no end time rapture, I still believed in a future Second Coming and that we were in the Last Days and how the world was becoming a dark place full of evil. I wrote much about this…even on this blog. Yet, at the same time finding out about the Kingdom of God and how it has already come, and how the Jewish feasts have all been fulfilled in Christ. We are not waiting for the last three to be fulfilled as so many preach and teach. The plan of Salvation was FINISHED AT THE CROSS, and all that was left to be fulfilled was the sending of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost…the 7th and last feast not the 4th…and Christ’s Second Coming in Judgment and the resurrection of the saints. That brings me up to recent time, and my most recent revelations from the Lord and I am shocked at what I have found out! I never even conceived that the Bible was a finished work and that there was no longer anything left to be fulfilled. Yet, that is what I have found out and it is AMAZING how I feel totally set free!! The Truth truly does set one free from the searching and the divisions of the traditions of man!! It all makes so much sense and every verse has taken on a new and heartfelt meaning!! It is GOOD NEWS!! Jesus is our King we can live in His Kingdom RIGHT NOW!! He did ALL He said he would do, when He said He would do it, all we need to do is KNOW HIM. The only event left to happen will happen to each of His children when they pass from this world and into eternity. I was so overwhelmed by my discoveries that I did not know how to approach beginning to write about it. Also, it labels me (and I hate labels in reference to divisions in Christ) I find that I have become a full Preterist. I would never ever have thought this is where my studies would lead, but cannot deny it is where the Lord has brought me. I am now ready to start proving it and that is what I will be doing from here on out. Perhaps the most wonderful aspect of all this is that it has brought me full circle. When I was born again and shown the power of Jesus and relying on Him, I knew it was finished in Him…He was the answer to all. Love is the strongest power in the universe and God is love. Nothing else really mattered. It was not until I got caught up in the “traditions of men” that the path got crooked and the way confusing. Yet, it is so wonderful to find out that His Word tells us the Truth, and that Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH, and the life. That being said, I will be posting studies that helped me understand, and hope that anyone out there that is reading this may find what they may be looking for, as they take this journey OF FINDING OUT FOR YOURSELF. God bless all, and may you be in His love and Light today and always!! JESUS IS ALL AND EVERYTHING!!! Patti C.

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